Curse

Angelica · Nov 12, 2006, 07:21 AM // 07:21

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Originally Posted by Pudin Tame

Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be around to see that Christmas update unless things get fixed. It's just pointless.

My character, an Elonian ranger, has just reached the three princes in Vabbi and I can say if the drops don't change for the better I'm not even finishing the game!

What is the use to fight so hard minions which are level 24/28 and getting little gold and items like a blue bow with a max dmg of 13-22 req. 7 and a purple staff dmg. 10-19 req. 9? The only gold item I found since the beginning of the life of my ranger was from a chest: Gold scyte, dmg 8-37 +14% over 50 and, wait for this, requires 10!!!

I don't even have a Dervish.

I usually don't get upset easily but this time I get hungry and frustrated, so if I don't enjoy the game is natural for me to stop playing it. I have enough disappointment in real life and I don't need some from a game as well!

PS. I forgot to say that I don't farm, don't do runs, nor PvP or GvG, FoW UW I just PvE. :P
All my non-NF characters went through prophecie and faction, and I enjoied every moment of it but I'm not doing it this time with NF.

I did not get bored but I certainly get frustrated/disappointed enough to leave and not play anymore.

garethporlest18 · Nov 12, 2006, 07:26 AM // 07:26

I'm not bored yet, still got plenty of things to do. I will be soon though, then I will go sit in Grotto and talk all day. Not do anything else because there is nothing else that interests me besides making in game GW money. Which I can't do in a fun way because of the farming nerfs. For me.. Money>Fun, but fun=money. Once I'm the best, the richest and the almightiest I will be content with GW and play no longer.

Loralai · Nov 12, 2006, 07:38 AM // 07:38

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Originally Posted by Carth`

If the designers of the game are trying to discourage certain ways of playing, and encourage other ways, I would say that is how they want their game to be played.

Basically this would be the equivalent of every manufacturer of everything you purchase coming in to your home to make sure you are using it the way they think you should. Parker Brothers doesn't come into my house to make sure I don't play the "Get the money in the middle when you land on Free Parking" in Monopoly, (because after all you aren't supposed to).

That being said, there are some things that are unacceptable forms of play/usage: TOS or EULA violations. Other than that, I read nothing from Anet telling me there was a particular way to play the game and that they would go through lengths to make sure I did so.

For a game developer to make concerted efforts to maintain a particular style of play would not go over well, be it PC, console, or board game.

Charqus · Nov 12, 2006, 08:56 AM // 08:56

Yes I feel exactly like the OP,
I rushed through NF on my monk and now am halfway through on my war but am poor with only 86k and bored with no active source of income from farming

Carth` · Nov 12, 2006, 09:00 AM // 09:00

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Originally Posted by Loralai

For a game developer to make concerted efforts to maintain a particular style of play would not go over well, be it PC, console, or board game.

But that is what they did. They made changes to the AI and certain skills to make farming harder presumably because they don't want people doing it, or not doing it as much.

Obviously from the huge outcry on these forums, people enjoyed being able to farm, so I don't really know what the motive behind nerfing farming is. If people were enjoying playing their game, why change that?

Random Scrubinator · Nov 12, 2006, 09:21 AM // 09:21

I'm guessing farming got nerfed because too many people complained that max equipment was unaffordable and giving rich players an advantage (despite collectors, better gold stats, greens, faction, salvagable components, crafters, and probably other changes that I can't recall)
Considering how in PvP, perfectly counterable skills often get nerfed to the point of uselessness, I wouldn't be suprised if this is the case

Zakarr · Nov 12, 2006, 09:29 AM // 09:29

There is tons of online games which has endless farming. Go play them. Useless to come here to complain that I want that and this to GW too and how something sucks. Clone games are the games what I would call boring. Same ideas with new graphics and sound. Yawn...

Resp · Nov 12, 2006, 09:41 AM // 09:41

Bored. rly bored.
If all the thing's will not change soon, i'll quite GW.
NF+all that unlogical updates suck compared to Prophesies.

Making only PvP IS boring. Completing same quests/missions again IS boring. Right now i cant see anything else i can make in game.
For me GW is dead.

Narutoscryed · Nov 12, 2006, 09:44 AM // 09:44

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Originally Posted by Zakarr

There is tons of online games which has endless farming. Go play them. Useless to come here to complain that I want that and this to GW too and how something sucks. Clone games are the games what I would call boring. Same ideas with new graphics and sound. Yawn...

I think that seeings how we are a pretty vast majority of the playerbase.

any smart game makers will see this outcry and fix it.

Now as for you telling me to go somwhere else... seeings how people with your opinion are now the minority.. howsabout you go find another game..

cause we will speak our opinion. untill it has been heard. and yes it does make a difference.

because this is EXACTLY how people change the world.

Zakarr · Nov 12, 2006, 10:06 AM // 10:06

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Originally Posted by Narutoscryed

I think that seeings how we are a pretty vast majority of the playerbase.

any smart game makers will see this outcry and fix it.

Now as for you telling me to go somwhere else... seeings how people with your opinion are now the minority.. howsabout you go find another game..

cause we will speak our opinion. untill it has been heard. and yes it does make a difference.

because this is EXACTLY how people change the world.

Maybe you should wake up and realize that guru community is clearly a margin group in GW community. Besides there is about 2000-3000 users online in this forum and only couple ten of them actually complain about these changes. However, I agree that some changes aren't the best at the moment but it is right direction. Nightfall is a fresh release and Anet can't rush and change things just because some individuals are furious. They have support system where people can complain and see all the time how GW player community grows or decreases. They will know if things are turning bad and react fast if they want to keep the game alive. Until then, I wouldn't say the game is going to unhealthy path.

The thing what really bugs me is that farming seems to be the only solution for alive end-game. Maybe they are trying to put something creative instead. Can't you see any other solution for end-game than monotonous farming?

Narutoscryed · Nov 12, 2006, 10:20 AM // 10:20

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The thing what really bugs me is that farming seems to be the only solution for alive end-game. Maybe they are trying to put something creative instead. Can't you see any other solution for end-game than monotonous farming?

Like what. grinding away hour after hour in ha trying to get to halls?

Or running chest after chest. or insect after insect.. for title after title....

Or repeating quest after quest after quest.. just so i can beat the game with all my characters..

ya what was i thinking wanting to have fun farming a new game. when i can run the same quests, builds for ha, and sunspear titles over and over and over..

I KNOW I WILL SIT IDLE IN GROTTO and talk about my current movie choices..

better yet.. i should try to teach my hero to fetch... GO KOSS!!! FETCH THE DROP!!!

you are right.. farming is so monotone.

bigwig · Nov 12, 2006, 10:22 AM // 10:22

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Originally Posted by Narutoscryed

I think that seeings how we are a pretty vast majority of the playerbase.

any smart game makers will see this outcry and fix it.

Now as for you telling me to go somwhere else... seeings how people with your opinion are now the minority.. howsabout you go find another game..

cause we will speak our opinion. untill it has been heard. and yes it does make a difference.

because this is EXACTLY how people change the world.

The majority huh? Prove it.

Night Daftshadow · Nov 12, 2006, 10:34 AM // 10:34

The reason why people get bored with Guild Wars is because it isn't an open-ended mmorpg like say World of Warcraft, Dungeon and Dragons, Lineage 2, and so on. In other words, Guild Wars isn't a true mmorpg. It's a limited mmorpg in terms of once you go through a portal from a town, you're by yourself or with the people in your group only. You can get from point A to point B within days in terms of completing the PvE gameplay.

Make Guild Wars into a mmorpg like World of Warcraft and you'll see less people complaining about becoming bored. But then you'll have new complainers about the monthly fee and yada yada yada.

But unless Guild Wars can become a mmorpg like World of Warcraft except without the monthly fees which I can see never happening lol, people will continuly to get bored with Guild Wars until the next chapter comes out.

Narutoscryed · Nov 12, 2006, 10:35 AM // 10:35

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Originally Posted by bigwig

The majority huh? Prove it.

Search through this forum a bit.. then logg onto gw. proced to any town and sit for a few seconds.. you will oversee someone complaining about the game or updates.. and then you will see like 15 people say somthing agreeing with them.

Now. wait a few weeks. then you will see a steep rise in the ammount of people that share this opinion. both on guru and in game.

when there is nothing left to do. alot of the folks that are happy now and do not agree with some of the points on this thread.. will agree.

you can mark my words on that.

Alt F Four · Nov 12, 2006, 11:34 AM // 11:34

I'm not, because I didn't rush through Nightfall. Still haven't beaten it. Still not bored. And this isn't to say I haven't been playing. I have.

I have no sympathy for people who rushed through the game.

xyke · Nov 12, 2006, 11:50 AM // 11:50

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Originally Posted by Alt F Four

I'm not, because I didn't rush through Nightfall. Still haven't beaten it. Still not bored. And this isn't to say I haven't been playing. I have.

I have no sympathy for people who rushed through the game.

Guess what buddy? I rushed through factions and not with 1 character but at least 5, and I never got bored until the recent updates. I was so looking forward to NF aswell

Qual · Nov 12, 2006, 11:52 AM // 11:52

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Originally Posted by Zakarr

There is tons of online games which has endless farming. Go play them. Useless to come here to complain that I want that and this to GW too and how something sucks. Clone games are the games what I would call boring. Same ideas with new graphics and sound. Yawn...

I find your post stupid, taking away farming from the game removes one option from the gamers to do with their time in GW. Farming doesn't hurt anyone, so why nerf it?

Gorebrex · Nov 12, 2006, 11:52 AM // 11:52

I dont see how farming isnt monotonous. After youve completed all the quests, al thats left is the monotony of doing the runs, going out killing lots of things for drops(farming), going to certain places to get drops from chests(usually the same areas), going for titles(usally doing the same thing over and over, like IDing drops, or Drunkard title), and I dont get how any of thats enjoyable. Im a 180 degree turn from just about every other post here, I dont famr, do runs/chest runs, bother with titles. The only one I have is Protector, and got that because I wanted the xp for missions and bonuses. Can anyone help clarify why they enjoy it so much?

Ellador Nae · Nov 12, 2006, 11:54 AM // 11:54

I don't think anyone wants gw to become a variant of wow. That's not what this thread is about imo. It should be about why so many are bored/fed up and what could be done about it.

I'm not entirely out of it yet, but definitly on my way there. Pweety pictures are not enough anymore (tho thumbsup to the devs on that point!), don't do PvP for all the rudeness, and don't care to have all the quests/missions done on each and every char.

Farming was like knitting. Do it yourself on quiet days or invite a friend along, chat, and come up with new patterns to knit. I miss it too. Now bosses follow you indefinitely (e.g. Witman's Folly), aggro is bust, and casters run off the moment you hit space. Running in circles = wasting time.

So what would make me like the game more?
Let me experience the rush of killing large mobs!
Silly extras. I'd love to beat a friend or two at some irrelevant in-game game, like cards or dominoes or even tetris, lol. Not money-sinks, just games.
Have me solve a riddle other than "how to kill mob x" or "get to point A, B and C".
Weekend events not geared towards making gold.

And on a general note:
Toon customization. My wamo needs a new hairdo.
Offensive players banned. Massively.
Release the next expansion a few months later than usual, but well tweaked.
Tie expansions in with the now empty areas, to bring people back.
Perhaps raise PvE toon level cap to 21 or let the exceptional players have something extra - like if all titles are maxed out + at least 3 chapters done + 10mio xp etc.

GW isn't really open-ended imo. "Community building", just hanging out etc. is not really the point. Missions done + gold + titles + PvP wins = goal. If you don't care enough for any of it, there's little else for you to do. But when you get there, then what? Retire? Meh, no point in doing it then.

What would you find fun?

bigwig · Nov 12, 2006, 12:04 PM // 12:04

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Originally Posted by Narutoscryed

Search through this forum a bit.. then logg onto gw. proced to any town and sit for a few seconds.. you will oversee someone complaining about the game or updates.. and then you will see like 15 people say somthing agreeing with them.

Now. wait a few weeks. then you will see a steep rise in the ammount of people that share this opinion. both on guru and in game.

when there is nothing left to do. alot of the folks that are happy now and do not agree with some of the points on this thread.. will agree.

you can mark my words on that.

I don't have to do that, because i play this game more than I visit these forums, and I've never seen 15 people complaining like you say. So if I were to go online, right now, sit in a district for 15 minutes, on the off chance I did see someone complaining about it (seriously i've been in kamadan for ten and nobody has been complaining, shocker) it would be 3 or 4 people, and about 30 or 40 people who don't give a crap.

You're in the minority. You're just more loud about it.